I've posted this pic before, and this strategy isn't for everybody (or anybody), but I thought I'd re-mention it. This is the driver side. This photo is of my huge inflatable kayak. Hopefully I'm not misleading anyone; this is a bonafide PITA to get in & out, but I can securely store a lot of heavy gear under there. Plus it's exempt from prying eyes, and without a roof mounted storage box, I get to keep my roofline uncluttered and sexy. That last part is more personal than logical. Well, more roof clearance from branches is nice, and a lower center of gravity... Uh oh nerd alert
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Thanks for posting, David. Good to hear from you. Looking at the pics of your rig, it's very clear you're set up to have fun
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I've posted this pic before, and this strategy isn't for everybody (or anybody), but I thought I'd re-mention it. This is the driver side. This photo is of my huge inflatable kayak. Hopefully I'm not misleading anyone; this is a bonafide PITA to get in & out, but I can securely store a lot of heavy gear under there. Plus it's exempt from prying eyes, and without a roof mounted storage box, I get to keep my roofline uncluttered and sexy. That last part is more personal than logical. Well, more roof clearance from branches is nice, and a lower center of gravity... Uh oh nerd alert
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I've posted this pic before, and this strategy isn't for everybody (or anybody), but I thought I'd re-mention it. This is the driver side. This photo is of my huge inflatable kayak. Hopefully I'm not misleading anyone; this is a bonafide PITA to get in & out, but I can securely store a lot of heavy gear under there. Plus it's exempt from prying eyes, and without a roof mounted storage box, I get to keep my roofline uncluttered and sexy. That last part is more personal than logical. Well, more roof clearance from branches is nice, and a lower center of gravity... Uh oh nerd alert
Last edited by Scott on January 21st, 2019, 7:15 pm, edited 1 time in total.
1994 Premier
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David,
I'm all for experimenting and watching the Scangauge. That way you can see just what is happening. And yeah, I say you should have not one moment of guilt about that transmission. I don't think you hurt it at all, and I bet it died for some other reason (heat is a biggie, but I'm not saying you did that either).
It was very interesting when I was at John Wood for my transmission repair and beef-up. He's close to retirement age, but back in the day he worked for Ford for about a decade, in the transmission warranty repair department. So he was in there when our transmissions were being used (the 4R100 came out in 1998.5, but it's basically the older E4OD), and saw all the flaws when he repaired them under warranty. He wanted Ford to make some changes, but I guess they weren't all that keen.
So eventually he started his own shop. Now when he repairs or beefs up a transmission, first he asks what you will be using it for. Then he fixes it up accordingly. He has some custom parts made (on a regular basis I mean - he stocks them) that address some of the issues. Or he brings it up to Ford's other standards. Take the snap ring for example. My transmission came with a weird clicking noise. Turns out it was this snap ring (it's like 12" in diameter) that had come adrift and was scraping on the housing. Well, on the van transmissions it is held in place with a few little "pimples." But on the Ford trucks it rests in a groove! I don't know why but the vans always seem to get the short end of the stick. So he uses the locking snap ring and has the area where it "snaps" done with a groove as it should be when he re-does them. Also the OD gear is beefed up.
(I wrote this all up a few years ago when it was fresh in my mind, so if anything in this summary is different from back then -- those details would be more correct.)
Anyway, you get the gist. I don't know what went wrong on yours, but in some ways they were not as robust as they could have been. I still doubt downshifting played a part in it, but then I wasn't there to see the damage. But I would not assume you wrecked it.
Heat is a killer of automatic transmissions. Basically the cooler they run the longer they last. (As long as you get above a minimum operating temperature of course.) Just holler if you need more "cucumber cool" in your transmission
BG
PS: Scott: The sleek roof is a prize to be strived for and maintained -- I mean come on, it's the sports car of motorhomes!
(Canoes are an exception though - that is just as good as sleek
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I'm all for experimenting and watching the Scangauge. That way you can see just what is happening. And yeah, I say you should have not one moment of guilt about that transmission. I don't think you hurt it at all, and I bet it died for some other reason (heat is a biggie, but I'm not saying you did that either).
It was very interesting when I was at John Wood for my transmission repair and beef-up. He's close to retirement age, but back in the day he worked for Ford for about a decade, in the transmission warranty repair department. So he was in there when our transmissions were being used (the 4R100 came out in 1998.5, but it's basically the older E4OD), and saw all the flaws when he repaired them under warranty. He wanted Ford to make some changes, but I guess they weren't all that keen.
So eventually he started his own shop. Now when he repairs or beefs up a transmission, first he asks what you will be using it for. Then he fixes it up accordingly. He has some custom parts made (on a regular basis I mean - he stocks them) that address some of the issues. Or he brings it up to Ford's other standards. Take the snap ring for example. My transmission came with a weird clicking noise. Turns out it was this snap ring (it's like 12" in diameter) that had come adrift and was scraping on the housing. Well, on the van transmissions it is held in place with a few little "pimples." But on the Ford trucks it rests in a groove! I don't know why but the vans always seem to get the short end of the stick. So he uses the locking snap ring and has the area where it "snaps" done with a groove as it should be when he re-does them. Also the OD gear is beefed up.
(I wrote this all up a few years ago when it was fresh in my mind, so if anything in this summary is different from back then -- those details would be more correct.)
Anyway, you get the gist. I don't know what went wrong on yours, but in some ways they were not as robust as they could have been. I still doubt downshifting played a part in it, but then I wasn't there to see the damage. But I would not assume you wrecked it.
Heat is a killer of automatic transmissions. Basically the cooler they run the longer they last. (As long as you get above a minimum operating temperature of course.) Just holler if you need more "cucumber cool" in your transmission
BG
PS: Scott: The sleek roof is a prize to be strived for and maintained -- I mean come on, it's the sports car of motorhomes!
1999 Concourse
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Scott...yes, I remember the pic of your inflatable kayak mounted "down-under." Thought then, as I sometimes do now--"You know, having a good pack boat might be just the ticket! I love our canoe, but disassembling the thwart, taking it up and down every time can get old...works well if we are based for a couple of days. But not so good while on the move."
Last year, one of my canoe buddies got an Alpaca Raft Explorer 42...and he LOVES it! Well built, capable of handling real running water, able to be used tandem or solo, very packable, and pretty easy set-up and take down. Will probably be my next boat...though not sure I would choose to mount it "down-under." This one is packable enough to fit into one of my dry bags on the back ladder. Check it out at alpackaraft.com
David
Last year, one of my canoe buddies got an Alpaca Raft Explorer 42...and he LOVES it! Well built, capable of handling real running water, able to be used tandem or solo, very packable, and pretty easy set-up and take down. Will probably be my next boat...though not sure I would choose to mount it "down-under." This one is packable enough to fit into one of my dry bags on the back ladder. Check it out at alpackaraft.com
David
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Scott, if your inflatable make a difference in the center of gravity of your rig, I bet it is light enough to fly.
Seriously, I wonder if there any mechanically inclined people here who can design a storage box that enables one to swing out a tray that can fit in the space where your inflatable is. It is just like the Greyhound (or is it Grayhound?) buses one that Blue was impressed with, but instead of going out and up, it is an actual tray that swing down and out and up.
Almost all the boxes I see are just the sliding ones.
Seriously, I wonder if there any mechanically inclined people here who can design a storage box that enables one to swing out a tray that can fit in the space where your inflatable is. It is just like the Greyhound (or is it Grayhound?) buses one that Blue was impressed with, but instead of going out and up, it is an actual tray that swing down and out and up.
2000 Concourse dinette, on 1999 6.8L Ford E350 Triton V-10 Chassis
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I encouraged a friend to buy an Alpacka Yak last year, and then proceeded to use it myself to try it out
About five years ago I bought an Advanced Elements Packlite, which is a "poor man's" version of the Alpacka. Even at that, I can't believe the use I've gotten out of the Packlite! It weighs 4# and fits in a file box. I keep the kayak in the "tire locker" along with the paddle (4-part take-apart), the pump, my lifejacket, and booties (plus the Ford jack, my breaker bar, torque wrench, spare belts, socket adapters, and tire patch kit). Oh, and my entry mat. Yep, it's compact. I can also be ready to go in about ten minutes, including changing shoes and etc.
I have a paddling background, and does it measure up to a "real" kayak. No way. But that's not how I use it. I use it to get out on the water with no fuss. I can easily carry it in to a mountain lake. Easy river trips. It's not fun to paddle ten miles, that's for sure. Also the Packlite is pretty marginal in waves (not that it would tip, but waves come over the side). Also it "shrinks" in cold water and there is no easy way to top it up once you've left the pump behind.
The Alpacka is *worlds* better, but sort of the same concept. It is about 6 lbs. and doesn't quite fit in a file box, but otherwise similar. But it has big tubes (water does not come over the side), a way to top up without a pump, and is just all around a more "serious" boat. Paddles better too, although you are never going to mistake it for a real (hard) boat. Basically, for me, it gets me out vs. not because I'm not going to carry a "real" boat at this time in my Chinook.
Somehow, both of these boats captured my fancy whereas the "normal" inflatables didn't (Advanced Frame, etc.). They were still super wide (I prefer to paddle narrow boats), but then weren't super light, tiny, and easy to deal with. I'm sure they do paddle better though, so it all depends on what you like. But the extreme lightness and compactness of the Packlite/Alpacka make them seem kind of otherworldly to me, and I don't compare them in the same way to a real boat. Oh, the Alpacka is also quite comfortable to just lie back and read in
The Packlite is just one boat. I wouldn't particularly recommend it unless you are fairly light and really need to keep the cost down (mine was around $250-300 back in 2013 or so). Although for that it is cool. Alpacka makes a bunch of different models - the one I have used is the Yak, which is what I would call the "basic Packraft" in the size one up from the smallest (leaves room for some gear ahead of your feet).
Neither of them would work well if you are going to paddle a long distance on flat water (where you want some speed) and/or with someone in a real boat (you'd be way back in the dust).
OTOH, I can't even count the number of mountain lakes, streams, and reservoirs I've toodled around on with mine. Would buy again (actually will be buying an Alpacka plus a better paddle this year; will carry the other one set in case a friend wants to come along).
I have a paddling background, and does it measure up to a "real" kayak. No way. But that's not how I use it. I use it to get out on the water with no fuss. I can easily carry it in to a mountain lake. Easy river trips. It's not fun to paddle ten miles, that's for sure. Also the Packlite is pretty marginal in waves (not that it would tip, but waves come over the side). Also it "shrinks" in cold water and there is no easy way to top it up once you've left the pump behind.
The Alpacka is *worlds* better, but sort of the same concept. It is about 6 lbs. and doesn't quite fit in a file box, but otherwise similar. But it has big tubes (water does not come over the side), a way to top up without a pump, and is just all around a more "serious" boat. Paddles better too, although you are never going to mistake it for a real (hard) boat. Basically, for me, it gets me out vs. not because I'm not going to carry a "real" boat at this time in my Chinook.
Somehow, both of these boats captured my fancy whereas the "normal" inflatables didn't (Advanced Frame, etc.). They were still super wide (I prefer to paddle narrow boats), but then weren't super light, tiny, and easy to deal with. I'm sure they do paddle better though, so it all depends on what you like. But the extreme lightness and compactness of the Packlite/Alpacka make them seem kind of otherworldly to me, and I don't compare them in the same way to a real boat. Oh, the Alpacka is also quite comfortable to just lie back and read in
The Packlite is just one boat. I wouldn't particularly recommend it unless you are fairly light and really need to keep the cost down (mine was around $250-300 back in 2013 or so). Although for that it is cool. Alpacka makes a bunch of different models - the one I have used is the Yak, which is what I would call the "basic Packraft" in the size one up from the smallest (leaves room for some gear ahead of your feet).
Neither of them would work well if you are going to paddle a long distance on flat water (where you want some speed) and/or with someone in a real boat (you'd be way back in the dust).
OTOH, I can't even count the number of mountain lakes, streams, and reservoirs I've toodled around on with mine. Would buy again (actually will be buying an Alpacka plus a better paddle this year; will carry the other one set in case a friend wants to come along).
1999 Concourse
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Seems like Blue-Go and I have hijacked this good thread on outside storage with our musings about transmission cooling issues and paddling boats...I know that one thing can lead to another, but, in an attempt to honor Manitou's efforts to keep us all on track, and make it easier for people to search topics of particular interest, I'm going to migrate any discussion of "Super-chargers" and transmission cooling experiments (when they happen) to Engines and Drivetrain. And, I'm going to do the same to continue the discussion of paddling boats--it will appear as a new topic under Gadgets and Accessories.
David
David
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We did mangle it pretty thoroughly. Thanks for starting a new thread, and now we can carry on here about outside storage solutions. I moved some of the last info here over to the new thread you started.
1999 Concourse
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Greetings All...I just got done installing a Yakima RocketBox Pro 11 on top of my Rig, and thought this might be of interest to others. Seems like this thread of Additional Outside Storage Solutions is the right place for it. There is an older thread that talks specifically about Roof Top Storage, but since I had already posted some information and pics about my High-Foot Mounted Thule crossbars that I used for several years successfully for carrying our canoe or kayaks ("successfully" meaning that having them secured to the factory installed aluminum side rails over 30K miles of travel without any loosening of the factory rails or loss of said canoe/kayaks)--this seemed like the best place to post my new information.
From my perspective, storage is just slightly behind water as the most limiting factor for long-term travel in our Rigs. As previously described, I have done several mods in an effort to address that issue--installed pantry area for food where microwave used to be, got rid of onboard generator to create more outside storage, and mounted a rack on the ladder to carry dry bags that contain things like our Alpacka Rafts, life jackets, spare tent and pads for guests, etc. But with our upcoming winter trip back out to Colorado from Boston, I felt like we really needed more room for bulky winter clothes and all the various things our daughter is requesting that we bring in the way of stuff we have stored in the attic that was being saved for "when we have grandchildren"..well, WHEN is NOW!
People on the forum have indeed been creative in creating more storage...including mounting their own roof boxes, and swing-away rear boxes attached to back hitch assembly. So, this is just one other idea in that vein for people to consider. I'm not saying it is the best, and, indeed, it may have limitations or down-right "No-No's" for those whose factory installed aluminum side rails are not up to snuff. But for those who want to consider it, here goes:
Based on my research, the Yakima RocketBox Pro 11 is about the only roof top cargo box that will fit between the edge of the Rig and the AC unit (others are too wide). In addition, the mounting of the crossbars on our roofs to place them front and back of the AC unit is too great a spread for any of the Thule cargo carriers. I also could not find a Rhino box that fit the crossbar spread AND the width requirement. So, Yakima Rocketbox it is!
The box itself is is pretty well made (lid a bit flimsy), with decent storage capacity. The claw mounting system is well designed and works well. The only thing I have done is add two cinch straps to make sure the lid stays closed even under highway speeds (some reviews made mention of people losing their lid!). A picture of the box installed is attached. I haven't had a chance to use it yet, but I think it will work well for our needs. If issues arise, I will be sure to let you all know.
David
From my perspective, storage is just slightly behind water as the most limiting factor for long-term travel in our Rigs. As previously described, I have done several mods in an effort to address that issue--installed pantry area for food where microwave used to be, got rid of onboard generator to create more outside storage, and mounted a rack on the ladder to carry dry bags that contain things like our Alpacka Rafts, life jackets, spare tent and pads for guests, etc. But with our upcoming winter trip back out to Colorado from Boston, I felt like we really needed more room for bulky winter clothes and all the various things our daughter is requesting that we bring in the way of stuff we have stored in the attic that was being saved for "when we have grandchildren"..well, WHEN is NOW!
People on the forum have indeed been creative in creating more storage...including mounting their own roof boxes, and swing-away rear boxes attached to back hitch assembly. So, this is just one other idea in that vein for people to consider. I'm not saying it is the best, and, indeed, it may have limitations or down-right "No-No's" for those whose factory installed aluminum side rails are not up to snuff. But for those who want to consider it, here goes:
Based on my research, the Yakima RocketBox Pro 11 is about the only roof top cargo box that will fit between the edge of the Rig and the AC unit (others are too wide). In addition, the mounting of the crossbars on our roofs to place them front and back of the AC unit is too great a spread for any of the Thule cargo carriers. I also could not find a Rhino box that fit the crossbar spread AND the width requirement. So, Yakima Rocketbox it is!
The box itself is is pretty well made (lid a bit flimsy), with decent storage capacity. The claw mounting system is well designed and works well. The only thing I have done is add two cinch straps to make sure the lid stays closed even under highway speeds (some reviews made mention of people losing their lid!). A picture of the box installed is attached. I haven't had a chance to use it yet, but I think it will work well for our needs. If issues arise, I will be sure to let you all know.
David
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the Cherry cabinet doors you made, which stain did you use?
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Dirksgoat—apologies for delayed response to your question about stain color on “pantry” doors. We’ve been tooling around on the Cape and up along the coast of Maine for a week or so, and I haven’t bothered to check internet.
I took one of the cabinet doors from below the sink to a custom cabinet maker and had him duplicate the design and color. My invoice from him just says “stain to match” when I asked him for a color description he told me that he just mixed till he got it right…not the answer you are looking for, I’m sure. So, if it were me doing it over again myself, I’d just experiment with some various combinations on pieces of scrap till I got to “close enough.” Good Luck. Send us all a pic of how it turns out.
David
I took one of the cabinet doors from below the sink to a custom cabinet maker and had him duplicate the design and color. My invoice from him just says “stain to match” when I asked him for a color description he told me that he just mixed till he got it right…not the answer you are looking for, I’m sure. So, if it were me doing it over again myself, I’d just experiment with some various combinations on pieces of scrap till I got to “close enough.” Good Luck. Send us all a pic of how it turns out.
David
